Re: memetics-digest V1 #880

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    On 20 Jan 2002, at 22:17, wrote:

    > So what is the sense of this group regarding the level of volition existing
    > in the relationship between memes ( or memeplexes) and individuals or groups.
    > It sounds as if some here are organized by a cluster of memes leading to the
    > belief that we are free to choose the memes we are host to?
    > For those of that persuasion is it assumed that we are conscious of all of
    > the memes that have staked out mindspace in a host?
    > Or is there a developmental aspect to this such that at some levels of
    > development an individual or group is pawn-like relative to memes, but where
    > in higher developmental stages the cosignoti can pick and choose their noetic
    > paracites?
    > My impression is that one might have a better quality of life when they
    > believe that that can choose there memes. But I see so many examples of
    > people who believe their thoughts, feelings and behaviors are organized by
    > certain ideas, or beliefs when from the outside it appeara that they have
    > been in service to something they knew not of.
    > I have come to suspect that some clusters of memes have evolved in such a
    > way that some memes organize the individual or group in ways that they are
    > conscious of, while the more powerful memes lie hidden and influence in
    > insideous ways.Some aspects of alcoholism might me an example.

    Yep! There are these 'crazy' people who think that they're directed
    by some outside force. Actually i think they have just become
    more conscious than the rest. It's no good life tho, better be inside
    than to observe from outside.

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