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> "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Turkey (renamed)Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:24:04 +0100
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>From: Lawrence DeBivort <email@example.com>
>> If I understand correctly, the Turkish military views itself as the
>> protector of Ataturk's legacy, and so intervenes in favor of keeping the
>> modernist government in power when the rural-based traditional parties
>> become an electoral or legislative threat.
>Just trespassing on Scott 's turf I know, but yes, that is the main picture.
>Ataturk's idea about a lay- state where religion and politics are due to be
>seperate is indeed protected not only by the military, but also IIRC, by
>special installed laws and orders.
>In my country, Belgium, where about 100.000 Turks are living, the
>general picture of what a Turk really is, is completely misformed.
>Most people think that a Turk is an Islamite, that due to the way by
>which woman are treated, and due to the way by which woman are
>dressed. Wearing the traditional scarf has been the basic for many
>discussions over here, because wearing such is a way expressing one's
>Belgium law is very ferm on the fact that the photo on our identity card
>must be at all time without any head- gear. You see the problem if those
>woman demand their right to express their belief...
>But, back to your question, the ' same ' thing happened in Algery, where
>the FIS were to win the election and where the government and the army
>intervened. A civil war was the result, but speculations that the government
>had a hidden agenda never ceast....
>Another point that maybe is of interest, last year a very hard discussion
>went on here in Belgium as to remove all ' catholic crosses/ symbols '
>out of the Courts of Law that due to the fact that a catholic cross can be
>seen as symbol of partiality by some.
>The same point can be taken as due to the manner by which the inau-
>guration of the President ends. ' So help me God ' implies partiality, pre-
>judice and being part of some majority...
Turkey effectively destroyed the effectiveness of its internal Kurdish guerilla movement, at least for a while, by executing their leader, Ocalan.
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