Re: Turkey (renamed)

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    > "Kenneth Van Oost" <> <> Re: Turkey (renamed)Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:24:04 +0100
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    >From: Lawrence DeBivort <>
    >> If I understand correctly, the Turkish military views itself as the
    >> protector of Ataturk's legacy, and so intervenes in favor of keeping the
    >> modernist government in power when the rural-based traditional parties
    >> become an electoral or legislative threat.
    >Hi Lawrence,
    >Just trespassing on Scott 's turf I know, but yes, that is the main picture.
    >Ataturk's idea about a lay- state where religion and politics are due to be
    >seperate is indeed protected not only by the military, but also IIRC, by
    >special installed laws and orders.
    >In my country, Belgium, where about 100.000 Turks are living, the
    >general picture of what a Turk really is, is completely misformed.
    >Most people think that a Turk is an Islamite, that due to the way by
    >which woman are treated, and due to the way by which woman are
    >dressed. Wearing the traditional scarf has been the basic for many
    >discussions over here, because wearing such is a way expressing one's
    >Belgium law is very ferm on the fact that the photo on our identity card
    >must be at all time without any head- gear. You see the problem if those
    >woman demand their right to express their belief...
    >But, back to your question, the ' same ' thing happened in Algery, where
    >the FIS were to win the election and where the government and the army
    >intervened. A civil war was the result, but speculations that the government
    >had a hidden agenda never ceast....
    >Another point that maybe is of interest, last year a very hard discussion
    >went on here in Belgium as to remove all ' catholic crosses/ symbols '
    >out of the Courts of Law that due to the fact that a catholic cross can be
    >seen as symbol of partiality by some.
    >The same point can be taken as due to the manner by which the inau-
    >guration of the President ends. ' So help me God ' implies partiality, pre-
    >judice and being part of some majority...
    Turkey effectively destroyed the effectiveness of its internal Kurdish guerilla movement, at least for a while, by executing their leader, Ocalan.
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