Re: Sensory and sensibility

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Date: Mon Jan 21 2002 - 01:06:33 GMT

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    >Doesn't the fact that animals can dream mean that
    they have a self? I have
    >less objections to your term 'self-awareness' even
    though I'm not fond of
    >it either. In any case Irene Maxine Pepperberg's
    work with parrots
    >demonstrates that these animals are capable of using
    words if properly trained.

    Indeed, IIRC it has been reported that cats have a REM
    sleep-phase. But to infer from this that cats have
    an actual abstract representation of other cats,
    and of themselves... hmmmm, it may be on a very, very
    crude level. I think it would be more likely that
    REM sleeps with an abstract meaning occurs with
    better equiped animals, like primates for instance.


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