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>At 11:06 PM 1/18/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>> >Salice wrote
>> >Is the 'self' required for memetic processes?
>And you replied
>>It is necessary for communication by means of a commonly understood,
>>created and arbitrary language (as opposed to instinctual calls).
>Doesn't the fact that animals can dream mean that they have a self? I have
>less objections to your term 'self-awareness' even though I'm not fond of
>it either. In any case Irene Maxine Pepperberg's work with parrots
>demonstrates that these animals are capable of using words if properly
Making sounds that sound like words and using words are not the same thing.
When I beat my chest I am not communicating with gorillas. Birds can be
taught to repeat certain sounds to please their trainers, but I seriously
doubt they are consciously communicating meaning with their sounds. They
have just learned that making some sounds will cause people to reward them
with food or attention. I don't believe they are really "saying" anything.
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