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> > Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2002
> > "Wade T. Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Memetics Discussion List"
> >Hi Grant Callaghan -
> >>The reasons we come up with are
> >>usually arrived at after the fact and are more likely to be attempts at
> >>justification than valid observations.
> >And what about the memes involved, if any are involved at all?
> >After the fact as well?
> >Attempts at justifications?
> >If we call behaviors, and only behaviors, capable of memetic content, we
> >can then have only valid observations.
>Verbal communication is itself a behavior, but one motivated by what a mind
>wishes to communicate. The person may lie, but they can lie with their
>other behaviors, as well (by, for instance, pretending that they do not
>know how to do something that they indeed do know how to do). In either
>case, observations are possible; in neither case is validity assured.
> >- Wade
I think my point was that we are often unaware of what our unconscious
motivations were and asking someone about them would not get a valid answer.
People go to psychiatrists to find out why they were doing things they
can't understand their motivation for doing, although when you ask them,
they can often come up with reasons. Only they and their doctors know there
is no validity to the reasons given.
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