Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA05691 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:32:46 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:28:23 -0800 Message-Id: <200201190728.g0J7SNf19929@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [188.8.131.52] From: "Joe Dees" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: The necessity of mental memes Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: The necessity of mental memesDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:31:06 -0500
> "Wade T. Smith" <email@example.com> "Memetics Discussion List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Reply-To: email@example.com
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>what no one has been able to explain to me is how, in the absence of a
>>mental storage and percepttion/action translation pathway between the
>>perception of another's actions and the replication of those actions by
>>oneself, how the actions of one could ever become, by apprehension,
>>learning and imitation, the actions of another.
>In other words, what the hell happens inside the brain?
>What part might memory play upon actions?
>In what way might the memory of a thing be guaranteed by the quality of
>the thing itself, and by the quality and attention of the perception?
>Last I knew, they're still working on it.
>But, how did you learn to waltz?
>Being shown is not enough.
>Even following the paths of the feet on one of those step guides is not
>enough, well, it wasn't enough for me.
>I had to be shown, guided, and then I had to _discover myself doing it_,
>Same with a bicycle. I had to be shown, guided, picked up a few times,
>and then I to _discover myself doing it_, physically.
>In other words, the behavior itself was a requirement of the learning
>And, I really don't think there is _any_ situation where that is not true.
>So, how does a meme just sit inside? (How does one ride a bicycle between
>That's what I want to know.
Praxis (that is, practical mastery) requires both theory AND practice, that is, BOTH internal and external. Neither alone will do.
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