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> "Wade T. Smith" <email@example.com> "Memetics Discussion List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Reply-To: email@example.com
>Hi Philip Jonkers -
>>With potential memes I mean
>>memes laying dormant in the brain, abstractly
>>speaking, waiting to be called upon and expressed
>>or utilized if needed. Until that moment there is
>>no way of telling whether the host contains them.
>Kinda why I wanted to know 'what'. Potential energy is recognizably
>harnessable and, yeah, measurable, from physical conditions.
>Potential memes, (hey, let's be strict, internal memes...) are not. Until
>they become apparent in behavior, there is no way to know if they are
>However, culture itself is a set of physical conditions that set up
>When at a formal dinner, if you have the potential meme for using a
>fingerbowl, you will. If you don't, you will, perhaps, have the potential
>meme of asking about things you are ignorant of, and find out through
>questioning, preferably someone who just used one.... (But, don't ask
>that guy who just put out his cigarette in it....)
>Most memetic experiments, and indeed, most 'memetic engineerings', are
>just that- setting up situations where expected responses,
>(internal/potential memes), will be realized. And, making little or
>drastic changes in the parameters of the variables to get differing
>responses, but, not, in any real sense, creating new memes.
>(I remember, back in the good old days of experimental music, how every
>performance was called a 'realization'.... Ah, art.)
>If there could be such a thing as potential memes, then I would concede
>to such a thing as potential art.
>But, I don't.
>Memes are out there.
>Culture is the matrix of memetic behavior.
And human minds (the emergent products of our physical substrate brains) are the petri dishes in which memes are 'cultured'.
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