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> firstname.lastname@example.org Re: Islamism Douglas Brooker <email@example.com>Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:37:14 +0000
>> >From: "Francesca S. Alcorn" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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>> >Subject: Islamism
>> >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:33:33 -0500
>> >Why the democracy meme won't fly with fundamentalist Islam. Just
>> >thought I'd throw this in the mix.
>It seems to have worked in Iran.
>do you consider 'democracy' to be a single meme?
>In other countries you may want to look at the reasons regimes are able
>to continue their hold on power. Much of the Islamic world is divided
>into countries created by the West, so their lack of national coherence
>seems to invite 'strong person' leaders, who are proped up with Western
>> Thanx. And I thought imperialism was a "Western" trait. Yet on this
>> apt quote from Bassam Tibi: "The goal of the Islamists is a new
>> absolutist Islamic world power."
>how is this different than the goals of the fundamentalists who now
>control the American Government? Do people like Falwell speak for all
>It seems fundamentalists Islamic and Christian - and Jewish have a lot
>of common traits, in memetic terms. (a subject that's been done here
>before I think)
>More interesting, relevant memes here are the fear of the other meme,
>or the group-bonding-so-we-can-have-emotionally-pleasing-experiences
Here, Falwall & Robertson got publically censured for expressing such sentiments; in many Islamic countries, the terror flyers received joyous street demonstrations for acting upon them. And right now, the youth (who are in the majority there) have overwhelmingly supported Khatami's reforms, but they are stymied, sometimes violently, by Khameini's jihadic henchmen. This situation cannot perdure. Revolution is coming to Iran - again.
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