Re: Paranoid Schizophrenia and Memetics

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Date: Sat Jan 19 2002 - 03:29:16 GMT

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    > >> Memes are valuable or represent valuable things such
    > >> as tools to hunt, make money, or engage other
    > >> profitable activity. Anything valuable is worth a
    > >> fight, it's a natural thing. Humans are no different
    > >> >from animals.
    > >Well i don't think that the flamewars are about
    >stealing ideas from
    > >people. That's not the point. There are people with
    >different opinions
    > >and everyone thinks he's right and want's to convince
    >the other.
    > >That's not comparable to a real fight, were you'd
    >probably kill
    > >someone for getting something.
    > >
    > >When i read what you write, i think you mean
    >something like a fight
    > >for a tool. Like two people would fight for a car or
    >something. But
    > >this is not comparable again, because if i copy a
    >meme, an idea,
    > >the other person doesn't lose it.
    >I see what you mean. Okay think of the following class
    >of memes:
    >schemes to build weapons most prominently those meant
    >to inflict destruction on large scale, grow crops in
    >such an efficient way that it drains resources from
    >neighbors too, how to have success in life at the
    >expense of others.
    >Such memes are very desirable for a lot of people
    >(I'd like to call it fitness increasing). If one
    >possesses a meme from this class others want to have
    >it too. But the first meme host has a true interest
    >in preventing this from happening as they might pose
    >a threat to his welfare. That's why some memes
    >literally are worth a fight and as such may trigger
    >an endless spiral of evolutionary adaptation.

    Musicians and record companies just won a fight to protect their ideas and
    recordings from Napster. The money they spent on the fight implies they
    thought their work very valuable. Patent holders and copyright holders of
    all kinds fight over unrealized ideas. What is it religious groups ae
    fighting over? Millions died in the middle ages in a fight over whether God
    was one person or three.

    People feel that anything they can put the word "my" in front of needs to be
    defended: my wife, my children, my home, my country, my religion, my
    property can all be defended with tactics that would get you thrown in jail
    if they weren't yours. Last year a man was jailed but let go when he killed
    a neighbor who invaded his yard and shouted at him for making too much noise
    during a party. They said he had a right to defend his property. But,
    conversely, you can go to jail for destroying what is yours. In Portugal,
    abortion is a jailable offense. That applies to many other countries, too.
    Some strange memes swirl around the word, "my."


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