RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception

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    >From: "Joe Dees" <>
    >Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception
    >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:18:12 -0800
    > > "Scott Chase" <> RE: Knowledge,
    >Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:09:31 -0500
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    > >>From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <>
    > >>Reply-To:
    > >>To: <>
    > >>Subject: RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception
    > >>Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:46:27 -0500
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    > >>I'm not sure, lost in the plethora of replies, who made the statement I
    > >>copy
    > >>at the end of this email, but I would suggest that equating the deaths
    > >>Sept 11 and those from US military action in Afghanistan is a symptom of
    > >>the
    > >>political and moral problem that the US has created for itself:
    > >>
    > >>We rightly denounce the terrorist deaths at the WTC and Pentagon as
    > >>of
    > >>criminal, evil people. But the US actions are those of a government, of
    > >>government that claims to be moral and good, and the government of a
    > >>and country that wish to be moral and good. To compare one set of deaths
    > >>another, based on the numbers of dead, is a disservice to those of us
    > >>belief in the morality of the US, for it lowers the actions and motives
    > >>moral standard of our government to those of the terrorists.
    > >>
    > >>It is one thing to criticize the political and legal elements of US
    > >>government actions (as I do) and another thing to imply that the moral
    > >>standards of terrorists are good enough for us.
    > >>
    > >>Statements like the one below give comfort to those who assert that we
    > >>no better than the terrorists. Talk about toxic memes!
    > >>
    > >>Lawrence
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> > <You need to reference your opinion with facts. as of now, the
    > >> > death toll from the WTC atrocity is 2939; no credible source dares
    > >> > that an equal or greater number of Afghan noncombatants have died
    > >> > in the US
    > >> > reponse against the Taliban and Al Quaeda there.>
    > >> > see:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >Gee Lawrence, when you actually go back and dig out the chopped context
    > >the above reponse you might realize why it was made. The above response
    > >(starting with "You need to reference your opinion with facts." and
    > >with "...Taliban and al Quaeda there.") was in *reply* to somebody
    > >
    > >(bq) "If the US does not believe that its might is evidence of its
    > >how does it justify its aggression and the collateral damage (way in exes
    > >(sic) of 9/11) caused thereby. How many innocent lives does vengeance
    > >your God claims that right) demand" (eq)
    > >
    > >This is the snippet which the person's statement you put at the end of
    > >e-mail was in response to. Doesn't look like the "toxic meme" statement
    > >started the comparison, He was just asking for referencing of opinion
    > >facts.
    > >
    > >So Lawrence if you can see us *hoi polloi* from the high horse, how would
    > >you have alternatively responded to 9/11 and how would you defuse such
    > >situations so they don't arise again? Be be detailed and specific. Maybe
    > >Vincent can play the Tony Blair antipode to your Dubya antipode.
    > >
    >let us remember that collateral means accidental or inadvertant, and to
    >equate the INTENTIONAL murder of almost 3000 human beings doing nothing
    >more than quietly pursuing their lives, among other doing the same, with
    >the ACCIDENTAL deaths of civilians who happened to be close to targeted
    >mass religious murderers (or those planning and training to be so) and who
    >in most cases KNEW who those people were and what they were about (and if
    >you doubt that, check the news reports about all the pilgrimmages to the Al
    >Quaeda graveyards in Kandahar), is either mentally ill or morally blind.
    Besides accidental deaths of non-combatants another unfortunate consequence
    of war is death by friendly fire, likewise accidental and tragic.

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