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From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: A Confusing Example
>What would you call it when the source sets up a
scenario where the target
>cannot help but to reach the desired conclusion (the
meme) by observing the
>surroundings you have created? There is no direct
communication, but there
>is still a deliberate transferrence.
>Brief example: A's roommate B is a slob. A has
already shown, told, written
>and pictured to no avail in an attempt to transfer
his/her "cleanliness is
>good" meme. Finally A takes all of B's most useful
>belongings and hides them in the lowest strata of the
debris. B comes home,
>can't find his shit, and realizes that it's because
there is no order to the
>arrangement of his belongings, and decides of his own
accord (in his
>perspective) that "cleanliness is good, because then
I can find my
>I'm not sure that this qualifies as meme transference
in your model, but my
>instinct is that it should. (The meme has, after all,
been transferred). If
>it does qualify, what would you call that? Assisted
Good point, Assisted Discovery I like that.
Nothing has been transferred indeed,
but the meme-host has discovered the meme himself
with or without stimulus. If without stimulus he
might be called a meme originator, though he might
not be the first at that of course. Consequently,
he may start spreading it by conventional means
of transmission or by the Assisted Discovery mechanism
if he is conscious of it.
>What do y'all make of this example? I'm unsure how
to characterize it.
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>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:08 PM
>Subject: virus: Modes of Transmission
>On the memetics list, we have come up with four modes
>1) Showing - a bodily demonstration, such as knapping
a handaxe for
>2) Telling - verbally or manually (signing)
communicating via a common
>3) Writing - inscribing glyphs which stand for
>4) Picturing - creating a representation of the
object of communication
>via drawing, photography, etc.
>Can anyone here think of others?
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