Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception

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Date: Fri Jan 18 2002 - 04:50:39 GMT

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    From: "Wade T. Smith" <>
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    >Hi Grant Callaghan -
    >>You seem to be saying the act of the jazz player by
    itself is the
    >>I say it's the idea he was striving to express.
    >What if, upon cross-examination, he were to say he
    had no idea what he
    >was doing? Or, if he were to say he had an idea, but
    failed to express
    >it? Or, if he were to say he was following a preset
    pattern of altering
    >chromatic progressions?

    Pattern or no pattern, conscious or not conscious,
    intentional or not intentional. If that which is
    created by one meme-host can be transmitted to
    another, it is memetic by definition.
    You may find this point of view extreme.
    And I admit it is, but it avoids a lot of what
    I consider unnecessary quibbles.

    You may say therefore, that I am in the memes-are-
    everywhere camp: in brains (though undetectable and
    latent), behavior, in meaning, artifacts... the
    works. Anything cultural qualifies as meme, provided
    transmittable (this addition even seems
    tautological to me).


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