Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA27469 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:22:02 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:17:35 -0800 Message-Id: <200201170117.g0H1HZ329036@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [220.127.116.11] From: "Joe Dees" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Do all memes die out or evolve? I think not. Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
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> email@example.com "Francesca S. Alcorn" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Do all memes die out or evolve? I think not.Reply-To: email@example.com
>> > If the meme is semantic content, how do we approach this change
>>> in meaning? What stays the same, and what changes?
>>> How can meme1 be meme2?
>>I think the 'historic' meme stays the same (the form). What
>>changes is the environment of that meme, which consists mostly
>>of other memes which changed. Our understanding and
>>interpretation does not only result from the historic meme but also
>>from the sourrounding/referring ones.
>But you do not think the same way you did 15 years ago, and the
>argument could be made that *you* are not the same person you were 15
>years ago. But we recognize that there is some continuity there
>which causes us to call you the same person.
>But now I have a question. If two identical memes arise in two
>completely different environments, are they the same meme?
Or to reword the question, is the context-free meme simpliciter definitional, or is it instead the relationship between the meme and its gestalt context that defines the meme? Or is it an either-or?
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