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In designing memes, we specify the means of transmission to be used, and, as
a subset of this, which sensory channel(s) will be used. These correspond
generally to your four categories, Joe: auditory-tonal, auditory-digital
(e.g. words, phrases), visual, kinesthetic (touch/emotional feeling),
gustatory (taste), and olefactory (smell).
If the content of the meme is demonstrated (your 'show'?), several of the
sensory channels can be involved.
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> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf
> Of Joe Dees
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> Subject: Re: Modes of transmission
> > Re: Modes of transmissionDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0500
> > "Wade T. Smith" <email@example.com> "Memetics Discussion
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> >Hi Joe Dees -
> >>They may show them, tell them, write to them, show them a picture, all
> >>with the (sometimes successful) intention of transmitting the
> selfsame meme.
> >Well, I'm feverish, not thinking straight, although I'm sure there are
> >those who would say that is my normal MO, but, what you just said above
> >looks like a behavior that is a meme to me.
> No, four different behaviors and thus four different memes, as
> far as the behavior goes; one meme, as far as the meaningful
> content encoded and transmitted goes.
> > All I have to do is change
> >'selfsame meme' to 'meaning' and I'm set.
> But memes are meaningful. We are perhaps overlooking the fact
> that transmission modes are themselves memes which are learned
> and stored for use. Plus, each of these modes would be a
> different meme which is combined with the meaningful meme we
> intend to communicate to preform the communicative function.
> >But, it does look like meaning is a stickler here, and even intention. I
> >was trying to get out of the way of that semantic, well, crap, by
> >isolating the meme, the cultural element of evolution, to behavior, and
> >moving everything else into the factory, the memetic pool, the cultural
> >environment- ideas, intentions, meanings, language, laws, skills, arts,
> >science, fashion, et al.
> >In this way, the behavioral meme was the obvious agent in the
> >of culture- the agent that altered the species of chair upon which we
> >sat, and the agent that altered the variety of restaurant where we ate,
> >and the agent that altered the shape of the hat on our heads, ad
> >infinitum. And none of that messy meaning stuff to have to sift through,
> >and interpret, and well, get wrong.
> But if this requires displacing the storage and mutation site of
> the meme (the cognitive environment), then it simplifies at the
> cost of distortion and misrepresentation.
> >- Wade
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