Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA23639 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:54:54 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:28 -0800 Message-Id: <200201160450.g0G4oSw04507@mail22.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [184.108.40.206] From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Modes of transmission Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: Modes of transmissionDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0500
> "Wade T. Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Memetics Discussion List" <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>They may show them, tell them, write to them, show them a picture, all
>>with the (sometimes successful) intention of transmitting the selfsame meme.
>Well, I'm feverish, not thinking straight, although I'm sure there are
>those who would say that is my normal MO, but, what you just said above
>looks like a behavior that is a meme to me.
No, four different behaviors and thus four different memes, as far as the behavior goes; one meme, as far as the meaningful content encoded and transmitted goes.
> All I have to do is change
>'selfsame meme' to 'meaning' and I'm set.
But memes are meaningful. We are perhaps overlooking the fact that transmission modes are themselves memes which are learned and stored for use. Plus, each of these modes would be a different meme which is combined with the meaningful meme we intend to communicate to preform the communicative function.
>But, it does look like meaning is a stickler here, and even intention. I
>was trying to get out of the way of that semantic, well, crap, by
>isolating the meme, the cultural element of evolution, to behavior, and
>moving everything else into the factory, the memetic pool, the cultural
>environment- ideas, intentions, meanings, language, laws, skills, arts,
>science, fashion, et al.
>In this way, the behavioral meme was the obvious agent in the environment
>of culture- the agent that altered the species of chair upon which we
>sat, and the agent that altered the variety of restaurant where we ate,
>and the agent that altered the shape of the hat on our heads, ad
>infinitum. And none of that messy meaning stuff to have to sift through,
>and interpret, and well, get wrong.
But if this requires displacing the storage and mutation site of the meme (the cognitive environment), then it simplifies at the cost of distortion and misrepresentation.
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>Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
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