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> Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:14:30 -0500
> "Wade T. Smith" <email@example.com> "Memetics Discussion List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Reply-To: email@example.com
>Hi Francesca S. Alcorn -
>>And that a thought can be an (internal)
>>stimulus to an external behavior. I gather from what you say that
>>you do not consider a thought an action.
>Nope. I'm sure there is recordable activity there. I just don't consider
>it a meme.
Now you decide what behavior is and is not a meme, ayy? Is your distinction between voluntary and involuntary behavior? But if one voluntarily entertains an instructed thought and the corresponding neural networks light up on an fMRI or PET scan, what is that, hmmmm?
>>And what if the meme is a meme of *not* doing something.
>Well, if one's behavior is _not_ doing something, and their expression of
>it makes it known that they are _not_ doing something, like when I'm
>passed a joint a party and I say, no thanks, then, that's a meme.
Denial and forbearance are memetic components of many religions ('thou shalt not's' come to mind).
>(But there is no meme of _not_ doing something, just like there is no
>meme of intolerance, held only internally.)
>But just sitting there not doing anything, if no-one knows you're not
>doing something, is just that. And it ain't memetic.
>>I find myself in the "meme as abstract idea" camp.
>Lots of abstractions out there. Which abstraction are you? And how do I
>know? How will you let me know?
By communicating it, which does not require doing it. Telling someone else that one is a thief is not the same thing as stealing something before someone else's eyes, although they communicate much the same message.
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