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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: memetics <email@example.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: playing at suicide
> Hi Grant,
> I am 4 days behind with my post, so....you wrote,
> > For a loner, you seem to communicate with a lot of people.
> << You can compare this with having a LAT- relationship. I communicate
> with the people upon this list and others but I stay on my island, as you
> it. Communicating does not mean to spill out all of your gut feelings.
> Don 't get me wrong, I love memetics and I like the discussions, but to be
> part of a ' group ' is not my cop of tea. I am, from your point of view,
> I understand I am, but it is not with my content.
> But most of the kids I grew up with were not really
> > indoctrinated. They just went along with what their parents were doing
> > because that's what they felt comfortable with. The tribal part came
> > the peers they decided to hang around with.
> << Do you think so !? Are you pretty sure !? You say it in the above, not
> really indoctinated, but they followed just their parents !? What is the
> difference !? Where is your choise in this !? Indoctrination can take many
> Did your parents or your grandmother never said not to hang out with cer-
> tain kind of guys and people !? You can call it, protection if you like,
> deep within you are indoctrinated with all kind of belief- systems. You
> not escape it ! Is the notion not to have sex before marriage a kind of
> doctrination or a way of protecting you against the hazzards of life !?
> And maybe is it very hard to believe but I do not have a circle of
> or a particular friend for that matter. If you call memetics a group with
> simular view on evolution than you can call us, me part of a ' religion',
> a particular attitude, it was my choise, but then again, it was ' forced'
> me due to certain cicumstances. This list does have a positive attitude
> me, I learn a lot, I meet interesting people, but that is not, IMO, as
> as a religious choise ! Please !
> I ain 't gonna say that your point of view is due to the ways where into
> were raised, as much as me, but the difference lies in the way you and I
> the world around us. You were, that can be found in your post, always
> surrounded with other people, moreover, you deliberate seeked out, or they
> searched for you, other guys, to hang out with. I did not !
> You were ' indoctrinated ' by the notion of being part of some peer-
> I was not, I am an individual, due like I said by cicumstances beyond my
> The way by which you see how members of societies act is just due to that
> fact, you think in the ' group ' form, I am more individualistic.
> Everybody, picked out peers who dare to rebel, no matter how you de-
> terminate that term. I did too, but after a while I saw the imcompleteness
> of such a group and lost interest, still.
> Religion is not only the practical side of the matter, though.
> I live in Belgium, a very old catholic region of the world. Our laws, our
> rules, behavior, ethics, manners, attitudes, language are packed with
> christian dispositions. It is not that I did not attend a catholic school
> I wasn 't indoctrinated with their garbage. We, your daughter, you and I
> pick up memes, unconsciously and live by their rules.
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