Fw: playing at suicide

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
Date: Sun Jan 13 2002 - 16:19:55 GMT

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    From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
    To: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:05 PM
    Subject: Re: playing at suicide

    > Hi Grant,
    > I am 4 days behind with my post, so....you wrote,
    > > For a loner, you seem to communicate with a lot of people.
    > << You can compare this with having a LAT- relationship. I communicate
    > with the people upon this list and others but I stay on my island, as you
    > put
    > it. Communicating does not mean to spill out all of your gut feelings.
    > Don 't get me wrong, I love memetics and I like the discussions, but to be
    > part of a ' group ' is not my cop of tea. I am, from your point of view,
    > I understand I am, but it is not with my content.
    > But most of the kids I grew up with were not really
    > > indoctrinated. They just went along with what their parents were doing
    > > because that's what they felt comfortable with. The tribal part came
    > > the peers they decided to hang around with.
    > << Do you think so !? Are you pretty sure !? You say it in the above, not
    > really indoctinated, but they followed just their parents !? What is the
    > difference !? Where is your choise in this !? Indoctrination can take many
    > forms.
    > Did your parents or your grandmother never said not to hang out with cer-
    > tain kind of guys and people !? You can call it, protection if you like,
    > deep within you are indoctrinated with all kind of belief- systems. You
    > not escape it ! Is the notion not to have sex before marriage a kind of
    > doctrination or a way of protecting you against the hazzards of life !?
    > And maybe is it very hard to believe but I do not have a circle of
    > or a particular friend for that matter. If you call memetics a group with
    > simular view on evolution than you can call us, me part of a ' religion',
    > have
    > a particular attitude, it was my choise, but then again, it was ' forced'
    > upon
    > me due to certain cicumstances. This list does have a positive attitude
    > me, I learn a lot, I meet interesting people, but that is not, IMO, as
    > as a religious choise ! Please !
    > I ain 't gonna say that your point of view is due to the ways where into
    > were raised, as much as me, but the difference lies in the way you and I
    > the world around us. You were, that can be found in your post, always
    > surrounded with other people, moreover, you deliberate seeked out, or they
    > searched for you, other guys, to hang out with. I did not !
    > You were ' indoctrinated ' by the notion of being part of some peer-
    > I was not, I am an individual, due like I said by cicumstances beyond my
    > control.
    > The way by which you see how members of societies act is just due to that
    > fact, you think in the ' group ' form, I am more individualistic.
    > Everybody, picked out peers who dare to rebel, no matter how you de-
    > terminate that term. I did too, but after a while I saw the imcompleteness
    > of such a group and lost interest, still.
    > Religion is not only the practical side of the matter, though.
    > I live in Belgium, a very old catholic region of the world. Our laws, our
    > rules, behavior, ethics, manners, attitudes, language are packed with
    > christian dispositions. It is not that I did not attend a catholic school
    > that
    > I wasn 't indoctrinated with their garbage. We, your daughter, you and I
    > pick up memes, unconsciously and live by their rules.
    > Regards,
    > Kenneth

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