Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception

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    At 12:52 PM 11/01/02 -0500, you wrote:

    >And, how is one to know that the same information is in two disparate items?

    Simple. Convert from type A to type B. Convert from type B back to type
    A. Compare. If they are identical, it is the same information.

    Converting a text file from ASCII to EBCDIC and back results in a bit for
    bit exact copy.

    For a human who memorizes a song and writes it down later, or learns the
    rules of a game and teaches it to another without the rule book there may
    be errors, but that does not prevent the copy process from producing
    substantially identical information.

    Keith Henson


    ..... Standard Code for Information Interchange (standard withdrawn Oct 11
    1994) EBCDIC
    = Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code IBM's 8-bit extension of
    the ...


    Translation from on one language to another and back generally results in
    substantially the same information. The exception are amusing
    sometimes. One classic is "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"
    into Russian and back gave "the vodka's ok, but the meat is
    rotten. Another classic was the time a message was treated to this process
    to inform some diplomat that his sun had been suspended from high school
    for some infraction. The message came through that his son had been hanged
    for crimes against the state!

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