RE: playing at suicide

From: Richard Brodie (
Date: Fri Jan 11 2002 - 18:10:22 GMT

  • Next message: Richard Brodie: "RE: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory Perception"

    Received: by id SAA11110 (8.6.9/5.3[ref] for from; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:15:33 GMT
    From: "Richard Brodie" <>
    To: <>
    Subject: RE: playing at suicide
    Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:10:22 -0800
    Message-ID: <>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
    X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
    X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
    In-Reply-To: <>
    Importance: Normal
    Precedence: bulk

    ><<give me an example
    >of a meme that is NOT a tool.>>

    >I suspect your definition of "tool" is broad enough to include everything,
    >but given names are a nice example of memes that spread without much regard
    >to their utility to the host.

    <<If a businessman like yourself can't see how given or any other names are
    used to confer status and establish identity on a person or a product, you
    must not be awake yet. ;-)> I refer you to HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND
    INFLUENCE PEOPLE and what it has to say about names. If that's not using
    them as a tool, I don't know what is.>>

    When I read your response I thought you didn't bother to take the time to
    figure out what I was driving at, but instead wrote back the first thing
    that came to mind that you felt meshed with your theory. As a result I lost
    some interest in the discussion.

    You might search the archives a year or two ago for a long conversation
    between a guy named Chuck and me, among others. He was another believer that
    utility was the sole selector of memes. He departed the list without ever
    gaining a good understanding of the basics of memetic theory, I think. I
    hope you have better results but you seem more interested in selling your
    own theory than in the topic of this discussion list.

    This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
    Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
    For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Fri Jan 11 2002 - 18:22:27 GMT