RE: playing at suicide

From: Grant Callaghan (grantc4@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 11 2002 - 15:46:33 GMT

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    Hi, Vincent. I think you'll find that in another post I said specifically
    that "A scream is not a meme." Even a cry is not a meme until it is used
    for a specific purpose. That doesn't happen immediately upon removal from
    the womb. But babies do start attempting to manipulate their environment
    very early in life. That's when random behavior becomes encoded as memes.

    There is an article by V.S Ramachandran in Edge emagazine that discusses the
    way memes are encoded in the brain. He has some pretty good research to
    back it up.

    Here is the first paragraph of his article:
    u

    "MIRROR NEURONS and imitation learning as the driving force behind "the
    great leap forward" in human evolution

          By V.S. Ramachandran

    The discovery of mirror neurons in the frontal lobes of monkeys, and their
    potential relevance to human brain evolution which I speculate on in this
    essay is the single most important "unreported" (or at least,
    unpublicized) story of the decade. I predict that mirror neurons will do for
    psychology what DNA did for biology: they will provide a unifying framework
    and help explain a host of mental abilities that have hitherto remained
    mysterious and inaccessible to experiments."

    Grant
    >
    >Hi Grant,
    >
    >Show me a substantive difference in pronunciation of 'scream' amongst 3
    >month old babies around the world and you've got a point. Similarly, show
    >me a mother who instinctively knows whether the baby needs changing,
    >holding
    >or feeding from the sound of the scream alone and you've got a point.
    >
    >A baby's scream (as an adult's scream, if say they are scalded, or
    >surprised) is a simple stimulus-response action, as straighforward as
    >blinking.
    >
    >Vincent
    >
    >
    >
    > > ----------
    > > From: Grant Callaghan
    > > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:57 AM
    > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > Subject: Re: playing at suicide
    > >
    > > >
    > > >On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 03:38 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
    > > >
    > > >>If the baby didn't know it had the need, it wouldn't be able to
    > > >>express it.
    > > >
    > > >Interesting take on instinctual responses. It certainly is able
    > > >to 'express' pain with a scream, as you are.
    > > >
    > > >But, what do you know?
    > > >
    > > >And, what do you need that you screamed?
    > > >
    > > >I see a real difference between someone wanting, say, a new
    > > >iMac, and a baby crying because its hungry.
    > > >
    > > >>She knows because the baby communicated the want or need to her.
    > > >
    > > >Is this response, crying, really a communication?
    > > >
    > > >- Wade
    > > >
    > > If you think a cry of pain is not a meme of communication, consider this
    > > --
    > > in America we say "ouch" or "ow" when we feel pain. In Japan, they say
    > > "itai!" or "itai-o!" In China, they say "ai-o" and in the Philippines
    >the
    > >
    > > say "apo!" or "apo-da!" In other words, in each culture they found a
    > > different way to express pain. You'd think an instinctual response
    >would
    > > elicit a more uniform way of expressing itself.
    > >
    > > Grant
    > >
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