Re: playing at suicide

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Date: Thu Jan 10 2002 - 16:09:00 GMT

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    >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:26:48 -0500
    >I think we are in agreement. I did not want to say that there is no learned
    >pain reaction. I tried to differentiate between the learned ouch, and the
    >reflective AAAAAEEEEEEIIIIII response. I never was in a torture situation
    >-- thanks whatever -- but would guess that the response here is very
    >similar between members of different cultures
    >A newborn who is hit on it's behind, and response by crying did not learn
    >this response.
    In the beginning, no. But the child soon learns whether it gets him what he
    wants or not. Then the tears can be turned on or off like a spigot or a
    light switch to manipulate parents and siblings. That's when it becomes a
    meme. Some children refuse to cry when hit. That, too, is a meme. They
    discovered that in their particular circumstances they get better results
    from that behavior. My brother was one of those who refused to cry. He
    just sat around glowering and nursing his anger. His meme was to not give
    you the satisfaction of knowing he was hurt. He was only three or four at
    the time when I realized what he was doing.


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