Re: Definition please

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Date: Wed Dec 12 2001 - 20:01:01 GMT

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    Hi Joe,
    > >If you have trouble with how it is possible that the brain got problems
    > >adding
    > >something simple as two or three digits, and Joe in fact says that
    > >consciousness arose because of increased complexitiy, how can we hold on
    to a hypothesis that shows that when the information threshold is low, memes
    > >propagate better !?
    > >
    > Simpler is easier to deal with, even for complex systems. No
    contradiction there.

    << Well yeah !
    But, atleast in my opinion, it seems that the notion about complexitiy is
    of a human nature. I don 't think there is complexitiy as such in nature.
    in the mind of the receiver there is complexity !
    Nature is just an accumulation of simple things working together.
    Is a termite aware of the complexity wherein she lives !?

    Actually, what makes me wonder, is the notion of complexity something
    needed to " confirm " any thing simple !? And why, for that matter, needs
    something so complex as a human being, such a simple thing as sex
    to propagate !? Why does any complex system needs simple things to
    evolve !? Why the complexity if anything can be done by simple things !?

    How is it possible, for what reason... are great amounts of information
    from within the DNA not being used in the final transfer_ great amounts of
    info are being cut out ( introns).
    How more info in advance there has been cut out, how better the trans-
    lation of the DNA- code into characteristics will be. The same can be
    said about memes.
    Why such a complexity, why building such a complex system of gathering
    info and than in the end only use a fraction of it !?
    Or do we suppose that somewhere such complexity is being used as
    a kind of selection environment !?
    Could be, no !?

    > There is a book called THE NUMBER SENSE that maintains that we are not
    especially mathematically gifted as a result of our complexity-spawned
    self-consciousness, beyond being able to handle judgements as to whether
    which of two small quantities is greater. let us remember that computers
    were once termed number-crunchers, and it was in the mathematical domain
    that humans were first cybernetically surpassed.

    << So our complexity sits in the way of the ability to handle great quanties
    of numbers !? So, again, why than the complexity !?
    I understand that it could act as some kind of selection environment like I
    mentioned above, but here it doesn 't make sense at all !
    Here you have a complex system of complexity which blocks the way for
    doing something complex !
    This seems to me as pointless natural efforts, it is just a waste of time,
    energy and a waste of a very great amount of simple, useful things.



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