Re: Wilkins on the meme:engram relation

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    >From: John Wilkins <>
    >Subject: Re: Wilkins on the meme:engram relation
    >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:26:43 +1100
    >On Saturday, December 1, 2001, at 06:55 AM, Scott Chase wrote:
    >>Wilkins may object to my singular focus on one minor aspect of his
    >>article, but I was reading his article after Gatherer's where the
    >>Lynchian homoderivative mnemon and Dawkins B were discussed and my one
    >>track mind may have derailed a bit. Back to the drawing board.
    >Actually, Scott, I don't object.
    Lynch may have. Here I am struggling with pinning down all the terminology
    and he goes and drops it altogether. I was probably premature in tackling
    his concept as his was more of an abstraction, suiting his purposes.
    >The many-many mapping from lower level
    >to higher is a problem in genetics and in memetics that needs to be
    It seemed you were touching on something which I couldn't quite articulate,
    along the lines of bridging the memory/culture divide and how memory units
    would relate to cultural units. I've been hoping to delve deeper into
    Gatherer's, Lynch's and your articles, when my time budget allows. Lynch has
    changed his a couple times now. The Cloak stuff is much
    appreciated...something else needing more delving on my part.
    >Evolutionary genes (replicators) and memes (also replicators)
    >are not the same as the physical entities that are usually their
    >instantiation. I am tending to see replicators as abstract entities with
    >no causal role. In sum, they are bookkeeping entities, as Wimsatt once
    What about placeholders for future elaboration?

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