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> Hi Ted,
> <I'll admit my take is Jungian, but the reality of the unconscious,
> > collective or individual, is part and parcel of 20th century
> > enlightenment,
> > every bit as fundamental as E=mc'd.>
> I can't understand why you would make such an obviously false claim.
> The concept of the collective unconscious isn't even a fundamental concept
> in psychoanalysis, let alone wider thought.
Let me rephrase it for you. The reality of the unconscious-- be it
collective or merely individual-- is part and parcel of 20th century
> >> Breathing is unconscious behaviour- our brain is regulating it
> >> making sure we do it, but we are not conscious of that process.
> But it is
> >> an individual thing. I do not breath because my species tells me
> <Yes, you do. Breathing is universal to the species. It's a part
> of us that
> > follows from our species-identity as opposed to our individuality.
> > Whether
> > the binding agent is morphic or genetic, we are defined collectively.>
> Breathing, in one form or another, is universal to all organisms,
> and thus a product of evolution (and necessity), but any individual
> when it breathes does so individually- unless 6 billion people are
> or psychically pressing my chest in and out without me noticing it.
Yet something is compelling you to breathe the same way as the rest of the
human race. That thing is either morphic or genetic. You're arguing
against your own position here as much as mine. No one denies that we are
individuations of something collective.
> <The funny thing is that the subject heading of this thread stems
> from an
> > article discussing the importance of the unconscious in learning.>
> The thread has been going a long time so recalling the original
> article that set it up took a bit of thought. That piece said nothing of
> the collective unconscious, said nothing about species memories or
> else it is you believe unreservedly.
As I said, the article discussed the role of the unconscious in learning. I
did not claim that the article dealt with the collective unconscious. You
unconsciously projected that onto my statement and then dismissed it on that
basis. Seems like a pattern with you.
The *really* funny thing regarding the subject heading is that the brain
doesn't learn anything except how to build neurotransmitters and keep the
neurons at the right temperature... that sort of thing. We're the ones who
learn, not our brains.
> The unconscious simply refers to those
> functions of the brain that we are not (normally) conscious of like
> breathing, seeing etc.
Ever take a class in psychology?
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