Re: Debunking pseudoscience: Why horoscopes really work

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    Subject: Re: Debunking pseudoscience: Why horoscopes really work
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    > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:07:14PM -0800, Dace wrote:
    > >
    > > Whatever is genetically programmed now had to be consciously learned
    when it
    > > first evolved. Every function of the body had to be built up through
    > > learning and imitation.
    > I sometimes sympathise with some of the things you say, but that is
    > absolute bullshit. Genetic mutation is random, it does NOT follow
    > learning, imitation or anything else whatsoever.
    > --
    > Robin Faichney

    Who says evolution is reducible to genetic mutation? The only thing we can
    say for sure is that organisms can't develop and species can't evolve except
    to the extent that they in some way retain forms and behaviors from their
    past. The radical notion that memory is stored in genes remains unproven.
    We have no reason to believe that memory in its natural state works
    according to the same principles as artificial memory. This is merely
    anthropic projection. It's a meme that exploits our unconscious need to be
    the center of the universe.

    Darwin insisted repeatedly that evolutionary theory depends on a mechanism
    by which learned behavior is incorporated into species memory. Organisms
    adapt to their environment, and these acquired adaptations become
    instinctive in subsequent generations. Without this, he maintained, the
    whole theory is shot.

    A theory of living memory is inherently more plausible if it treats
    evolution the way Darwin did, as something that follows naturally from
    learning and imitation.


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