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> "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Memetics Discussion List" <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>You seem to believe that such advances will merely explain it away, but
>>give no hint of what would be found to be there instead (and something must).
>I beg whatever pardon I might, but what I think will be found there are
>all the trees for the forest- the places and processes of what
>constitutes the human mind/body entity, and the way it works.
>The schematic (in real time and 3D) and design specifications of the
>factory, if you will, without the ghosts in the machine.
>And the factory just makes the cars.
And I see what would be revealed is, among other things, the configurations of specific memes in specific brains. This is cognitively akin to finally getting into a factory and obtaining a schematic for a mechanism within it. I do not expect the neuronal firing patterns that I see eventually being found to correspond to specific memes in particular brains to be ghosts or in any manner supernatural. Nor do I see them being beamed in by a morphic Scotty.
As to artifacts, upon reflection, I have come to the position that for someone to see a Dodge Viper, like it, and go out and buy one, to be a memetic transmission, but the meme is not the artifact car. Rather, it is the having/owning action-relationship that the other person has with their car that is replicated within oneself. By the same token, the relationships of making (say, a banana split)and of saying (that I, too, am a communist/fascist.democrat/ptriot/green/pagan etc.) can also be selected for and replicated
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