Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id FAA20640 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:17:16 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:12:16 -0800 Message-Id: <200111290512.fAT5CGg25477@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [22.214.171.124] From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: A Question for Wade Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: A Question for WadeDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:50:01 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "memetics list" <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>On 11/26/01 22:46, Joe Dees said this-
>>To paraphrase, beauty is internal to the mind of the beholder. utility,
>>however, is an empirical, external thing.
>Is there no utility to beauty?
>I stand in disagreement with everything you've said above.
>There are some pretty solid evidential claims that beauty is
>quantifiable, and therefore an aspect, not just a thing of mind. And
>there is no utility unless someone decides to use something.
>But, while I think there are memetic connections to all of this, the
>discussion of beauty is what aesthetics is all about.
>E=mc^2 is both utilitarian and beautiful, scientific and artistic, in
>form and function.
>The golden rectangle looks 'balanced' to anyone who sees it.
>The spiral appears in almost all cultures as an image of interest.
>If I were a more avid student of aesthetics, I'm sure I could rattle off
>countless examples to show the utility of beauty, and the commoness of
While there are indeed substantial commonalities, nevertheless some people find beauty in symmetry and some in a poignant asymmetry; some find it in bright colors and bold lines, others in muted shades washing over amorphous masses; some find it in jazz, some in classical, some in rock, some in syncopation, some in cacaphonous atonality, some in smooth melodies and harmonies; some in tight poetic construction, some in blank verse.
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