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> firstname.lastname@example.org Re: A Question for Wade Robin Faichney <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 04:11:31PM -0500, Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
>> Scott asks:
>> > What's so special about the "meme" term? Why can't we just use "idea",
>> > "belief", or "concept" to say the same thing? As Ernst Mayr says of the
>> > meme:
>> > (bq) "It seems to me that this word is nothing but an unnecessary
>> > synonym of
>> > the term "concept"." (eq)
>> Yes, unfortunately, some have fallen into this too-broad definition of meme.
>> I prefer to limit 'meme' to refer to those ideas, concepts, beliefs that are
>> self-disseminating and self-protecting.
>That's funny, because for me it's too narrow.
>While a distinction can certainly be drawn between communicated and
>uncommunicated ideas, I don't see it as very significant, and only in
>relatively rare situations would what is at one point in time an example
>of the latter be barred from later being communicated.
>On the other hand, in a community without linguists or the like, most
>or all characteristics of the local accent are memes of which noone is
>ever conscious, ie memes but not ideas, concepts or beliefs. The value
>of the term meme is that it includes such phenomena.
Yes, memes may be adopted, dissimenated and/or altered either intentionally or inadvertantly; we, due to self-conscious awareness, intention and (imperfectly) intention-controllable ideation, have the possibility for either.
>"The distinction between mind and matter is in the mind, not in matter."
>Robin Faichney -- inside information -- http://www.ii01.org/
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