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>From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:25:01 -0800
>On Saturday 24 November 2001 08:07 pm, you wrote:
> > From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <email@example.com>
> > >Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > >To: email@example.com
> > >Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
> > >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:56:42 -0800
> > >
> > >On Friday 23 November 2001 04:37 pm, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Joe E. Dees -
> > > >
> > > > >Not only is everything verbal memetic, but everything
> > > > >technological possesses a memetic component, as well.
> > > >
> > > > Is this ubiquity not a problem?
> > >
> > >Yes, it is not a problem...
> > If you're going into the fray with your mind already made up, convinced
> > the conclusion, I suppose you're right then.
> > Some of us aren't convinced of the veracity or utility of memetics even
> > the minor stuff like hula hoops, so sweeping everything into the memetic
> > basket might result in raising some hackles.
>Please specify what precisely may result in rasing of hackles.
Sweeping *everything* into the memetic basket, especially when one still
wonders whether *anything* belongs in that basket.
>I don't care about the sentiments of some romantics who don't `feel'
>confortable with the fact that anything man-made is memetic or not.
>Science knows no emotion, it studies it at best.
So someone skeptical of memetics is "romantic"? OTOH some are in love with
the meme meme. I thought science meant being critical of ideas and holding
them at arms length. I must be wrong.
Everybody likes to talk about Popper, but do they ever follow him through or
just cling to their pet hypotheses like a security blanket.
>I noticed that americans write the digit 8 differently than we Dutch guys
>You start on top and then swirl down ending on top again. We start
>at the middle, trace out a counter-clockwise circle go up and trace out
>another clock-wise circle finishing at the same central point. A thing so
>simple as one written digit can be a meme.
>"...It's the little differences, they have the same shit they got over
>Only there's just a little different...." Pulp-Fiction.
>It's precisely the subtle differences, i.e. memetic, that distinguish one
>western country from another. Memetics is useful in focusing on and
>identifying those differences.
Still not convinced.
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