Re: Verbal memeticism

From: Philip A.E. Jonkers (
Date: Mon Nov 26 2001 - 02:25:01 GMT

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    On Saturday 24 November 2001 08:07 pm, you wrote:
    > From: "Philip A.E. Jonkers" <>
    > >Reply-To:
    > >To:
    > >Subject: Re: Verbal memeticism
    > >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:56:42 -0800
    > >
    > >On Friday 23 November 2001 04:37 pm, you wrote:
    > > > Hi Joe E. Dees -
    > > >
    > > > >Not only is everything verbal memetic, but everything
    > > > >technological possesses a memetic component, as well.
    > > >
    > > > Is this ubiquity not a problem?
    > >
    > >Yes, it is not a problem...
    > If you're going into the fray with your mind already made up, convinced of
    > the conclusion, I suppose you're right then.
    > Some of us aren't convinced of the veracity or utility of memetics even for
    > the minor stuff like hula hoops, so sweeping everything into the memetic
    > basket might result in raising some hackles.

    Please specify what precisely may result in rasing of hackles.
    I don't care about the sentiments of some romantics who don't `feel'
    confortable with the fact that anything man-made is memetic or not.
    Science knows no emotion, it studies it at best.

    I noticed that americans write the digit 8 differently than we Dutch guys do.
    You start on top and then swirl down ending on top again. We start
    at the middle, trace out a counter-clockwise circle go up and trace out
    another clock-wise circle finishing at the same central point. A thing so
    simple as one written digit can be a meme.

    "...It's the little differences, they have the same shit they got over here.
    Only there's just a little different...." Pulp-Fiction.

    It's precisely the subtle differences, i.e. memetic, that distinguish one
    western country from another. Memetics is useful in focusing on and
    identifying those differences.


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