Re: Debunking pseudoscience: Why horoscopes really work

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    > > Complexity in no way contradicts determinism. Even fractals are made
    > > simple, deterministic equations. What tips over the apple cart is
    > > novelty.
    > >
    > > As Bergson argued a century ago, the meaning of time is that the
    > > is NOT determined. It hasn't all happened yet. To assert determinism
    > > to deny time. Indeed, that's exactly what physics does, not just since
    > > Einstein, but all the way to back to Descartes. Positivistic science
    > > always reduced existence to a graph, with time as its fourth variable.
    > And the problem is..? Why can't time just be the long axis of the
    > 'prism' of the other three dimensions (*that* was clear). I don't
    > understand why there is this need to cling to a universe with novelty.
    > The detective book already has an ending when you start reading it, but
    > the fact that the ending isn't made up on the spot as you turn the
    > last page doesn't spoil it.
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > Chris Taylor

    The novel has already been written once it's perched in your hands. Prior
    to that, in the imagination of the author, it is literally *novel.* No
    different than any product of creativity, human or otherwise.

    I used to believe exactly what everyone else did. I fully ingested the
    notion that the universe is determined. No exceptions, not for life or
    people or anything that could ever exist. As this belief evaporated in my
    late teens, I began to wonder why I'd held onto it so fanatically. It's a
    comforting view, as it removes any possible responsibility for our actions.
    Ultimately, we will attain perfect certainty and therefore security. And we
    don't have to feel guilty about anything we did on the road to this to
    Utopia, because none of our actions occurred on the part of our own free
    will. We don't even exist. That's a pretty comforting view when you're
    scared, uncertain, not just vulnerable to death but to truth (i.e. shame and
    guilt and regret). Erasing ourselves is a nice little trick. But its
    psychological utility, by itself, doesn't make the assertion false. In
    fact, it's quite a simple matter to demonstrate the necessity for intrinsic
    (self) existence-- universal, biological, and human.


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