Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA11605 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:25:26 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:20:22 -0800 Message-Id: <200111260120.fAQ1KMW10277@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [18.104.22.168] From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: A Question for Wade Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: A Question for WadeDate: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:59:15 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Memetics Discussion List" <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>since a meme may be represented in many different ways in any particular
>>medium, and may be represented in many different media, but the connection
>>between the patterns, as differing representamens, and the idea or
>>concept, as referent.
>Form being function, and the medium being the message, I fail to see how
>a meme can be represented in many different ways in many media. Reductio
>to the absurd, that sort of makes everything the same as everything else,
>Maybe this is more communications theory (but, ain't I already come down
>on the side of throwing out anything besides the actual physical artifact
>itself as being a meme- yup, I did...), but, please, bring out this meme
>that may be represented (and what does it mean to represent a meme any
>bloody way?!) in any media.
>I really don't think I've thrown out the baby with the bathwater by
>declaring as erroneous any meme theory that uses meme in any other way
>than as actual physical artifact- for while I agree the bathwater was
>terrifically filthy, the baby itself was in the bassinet.
Hokay, the equation e=mc*2 or the slogan 'honesty is the best policy' or the theme of Beethoven's Fifth may be spoken/hummed or written in many languages or signed (at least in the latter cases) or acted upon/danced to or remembered, but in each case it is the meaning-relation which is the same even though the representations are different. I cannot see considering a memory of any one of these in the same 'artifact' category as an arrowhead, or if one can conceive of do so, I cannot see considering that meaningful configuration which they all reference as being reduceable to any of the class members, even if each of them are considered to be an artifact; there is a category problem in considering a class (the class of representations of a meaningful configuration) as identical with or equatable to a class member.
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