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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Bin Laden's Statement
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Philip Jonkers <P.A.E.Jonkers@phys.rug.nl>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Bin Laden's Statement
> > If Bin Laden stresses that there is no God by only Allah, why dis he end
> > his statement with: (or did the translator make an error?)
> Hi all,
> Just something to stress my ' concern ' with the world- wide conviction
> that Bin Laden is the real mastermind behind these attacks.
> I have no proof that he was not or was, but lately some tv- programs,
> some journalists have taking up the challenge to proof Bin Ladens guilt.
> They came up quiet empty handed.
> It seems, more likely that Atta ( the leader of the gang) was in fact
> more or less an Irakian agent. It seems that he and others had a plan,
> in the early '90 to blow up buildings in the US. Not on a grand scale,
> but somehow the Irakian Intelligence services got hold of that plan.
> They made Atta an offer he could not refuse. They offered him all the
> resources needed, the money, the intelligence,...
> The reason !? Revenge !
> Saddam wanted to get even with the US for the lost Gulf War.
> The connection with Bin Laden would only exist in the side ways by
> which he and his group offered some ' help '.
> But, those journalists were pretty convinced that the attacks were done
> in his name.
> The future !?
> If all of this is true, than the West is throwin ' their bombs on the
> Secondly, and more important IMO, is that with the attacks on the WTC
> the terrorist campaign is at its end. There are no terrorists left do
> What we found now, those guys we arrested in the US and in Europe are,
> maybe, ' real ' Bin Ladens man, but in a way less dangerous than we suppos
> That is by all means no fact, just another line of inquiry.
> Why still bombing than Afghanistan !?
> America can 't get any loss of face, they needed to act, they went in
> swiftly but once again, god forgive them, they do not know what they were
> In a memetic sense, what people now think what would be or become
> a terrorist target is left to those elements which make up the stem for
> those infectious ideas. The ' outbreak ' for instance of a kind of
> hysteria about the use of anthrax or the warnings that the bridges of
> San Franscisco were under threat are such constuctions.
> Either way there isn 't to say that those scripts bear no ground, but like
> earlier mentioned upon this list " psychosomatic memes give voice to
> distress ... ".
> Only the future will tell.
> One for the road, the humour- contest held in Khandahar was won by
> the guy with the following one- liner,
> " On a beautiful day a woman was visiting her doctor.... "
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