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> Do you really think steps 1 and 4 are essentially the same as steps 2 and 3?
> Of course there's no self involved in steps 2 and 3. But these only follow
> automatically. There's nothing automatic about steps 1 and 4. The message
> would never have been created without an individual to have thought of it,
> and it can't be understood except by a person who reads it. Only when I
> write it and you read it is it a "message." Otherwise it's just blind,
> electronic impulses. Transmission of electronic impulses requires no self.
> Transmission of ideas and memes does. In fact, a meme is an idea that takes
> on its own self-existence.
Does the self need to be more than just a stucture built of memes for
this to work? (I'd say no because amongst other things I like the irony
involved - as if a library became self aware and started deciding which
books successfully got in - cue the ecosystem metaphors).
Chris Taylor (firstname.lastname@example.org)
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