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>>Anyway, transmission and reception of memes does not require a
>>only a transmitter and a receiver which are not necessarily the
<Remember too, that this 'self' appears to be a necessity when we
> cheating and manipulative behavior of almost any stripe.
> Whether memes are required as well is problematic, but they are certainly
> a major part of the toolkit of the cheat.>
Yeah, I guess I meant that it's possible for things to transmit
messages without conscious motivation or intent, whether that be human body
language, trees' chemical signals given off when being attacked by insects,
or even pulsars or hypernovae.
Certainly, much of what concerns this list, is motivated information
transmission, whether that be religious dogma, political propaganda,
scientific skepticism, or whatever. Also having the ability to, what's the
phrase.... theorise about other's state of mind (I know there's a more
correct term for that, but can't remember it) is helpful when trying to
manipulate them to your own ends.
I have an interest also in those things that kind of get away from
us, in terms of intent or control, like urban legends being passed on
despite every person passing it on probably knowing it isn't true, or bad
jokes that aren't funny that persist. Or the obligatory catchy tune
syndrome (by the way thanks for that article a couple of weeks back- very
interesting, but I had to use immense self control not to catch many of the
tunes mentioned- just as a payback, I had the Bonanza theme going round my
head yesterday, remember Bonanza?).
This also brings to mind the question of mimesis, like insects that
look like plants, and vice versa. Clearly no conscious intent is involved
there, but information transmission occurs, and they are deceits also.
Perhaps the self is merely the human version of mimesis- useful for
defence or for sexual success? Like the insect that is unaware it looks
like a twig, perhaps we are actually unaware that the self merely serves an
I'm starting to babble now, sorry. A product of being in the middle
of marking a big pile of undergraduate essays, about which I can say nothing
now that new data protection act provisions means that my e-mails are
basically open house. How nice to live in such a free society...
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