Fw: "Smoking" Memes

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
Date: Wed Oct 31 2001 - 09:30:54 GMT

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    From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
    To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:21 PM
    Subject: Re: "Smoking" Memes

    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Lawrence DeBivort <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
    > > I've suggested before on the list that a meme, to be accepted by an
    > > individual, has to meet criteria that are, indeed, specific to the
    > > individual, and include the individual's key beliefs and hierarchy of
    > > values. While there are several ways that a meme can be crafted that
    > > enable it to be effective with large and unspecified groups of people,
    > > basic reality is that meme-acceptance is individualistic.
    > Hi LDB,
    > That, in a way, has always been my major stumbling block to accept the
    > vision that the Weismann Barrier can 't be broken. At least on some level
    > it can be one, I think.
    > IMO, natural selection plays only a role on specific levels, not on all.
    > The evolution, the development of culture is due to inheritance not
    > selection. I have to weigh my words here,.... the ways by which our
    > brain can/ might re- present the condition of the organism of which
    > it is part are due to inheritance, not selection.
    > The ways by which we stay alive and survive are those which are
    > getting re- presented in our brain. The ways for choosing out than
    > the ' right' one, may be genetical/ natural selected, but not the way
    > itself. The info enclosed in it is inherited, not selected.
    > It would mean, according to the plague- case, that in order to survive,
    > the mind, the brain ' orders' the genes, than to select Delta 32, but
    > very rapidly the gene will be passed on to the offspring, but also
    > the ways by which we re- present such an illness will be passed on,
    > not by selection but by ( memetical) inheritance.
    > We survive on two levels at the same time, body and mind. The one
    > helps the other in such ways that the body in all its aspects ( and that
    > means the brain included) " survives ".
    > Without a mental " re- presentation " of the plague we would not sur-
    > vive. Such re- presentations are conscient or not- conscient and goes
    > on constantly.
    > I hope this is clear. Strange way of seeing the things, but yeah....
    > Regards,
    > Kenneth

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