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From: Bill Spight <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: reply to nurturing young Islamic hearts and hatreds
> > Is Islam truly a peaceful religion at heart,twisted by the fundies into
> > perverted pletora of calls for global jihad and fatwas against those
> > profane Islam by their presence (and perhaps very existence when one
> > considers Islamic fundie views on Israelis, secular or otherwise)? Is
> > bloodthirst something which stems from the heart of Islam or just from
> > twisted minds which would figure a way of rationalizing their hatred via
> > Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, or Hinduism if those were the religions
> > under which they grew up?
> Despite their generally pacifist teachings, all the great (widespread)
> religions have had a militant history. How do you think they got to be
> great? Christian factions are still warring among themselves.
> I think fundamentalism depends upon writing, and upon having relatively
> few basic texts. These provide an apparently objective standard to judge
> thought and action. Being deistic helps, too, if the text is considered
> the Word of God.
Hi Bill, Scott, Wade, Robin,
Absolutely true !
But, don 't forget that Islam is the " last " of the three great religions!
Mohammed was the last prophet and therefor his words are considered
as binding. From religion- sake there are no- more words left where
anyone of us can retract ' belief ' from.
If you do, those words were added and therefor no words of God.
From an Islamitic point of view, Christianity and Judaism were just
experiments,... the true belief is Islam !!
Another point which we must keep in mind, though, is that we, the West,
in these Post- Modern times, in our democracies excuse any ideology,
( be tolerant) and therefor give, some, legitimacy to a wide variety of
causes and rebellions.
I know, that is no reason to attack us with planes and biological weapons,
but in a way those who were repressed strike back and did so many
times before. We did nothing, we turned the other cheek and tried to
solve any conflict with diplomacy and discussion.
Those terrorists let us now see how vulnerable we really are, how afraid
In a sense we must take a ' higher ' risk, bombing Afghanistan is no
solution. We must, like Blair said, reflect, consider and change. The world
community must show as mush its capacity for compassion as for force.
IMO, the West must show its force, the world must show its force.
> Historically, I think that Islam has had a more favorable view of
> Judaism and Christianity than the other way around. They were both
> established when Islam came into being. Islam was a challenge to them.
> But Islam respected them as "people of the Book" (the Jewish scriptures,
> the Christian Old Testament). Until recently, Jews were accepted in
> Islamic countries while they were persecuted in Christian lands. Now,
> Christians are glad to support Jews *in Israel*.
> I think that the fundamentalist strain is strongest in Islam. Jews and
> Christians believe that God inspired their scriptures. Muslims believe
> that God dictated theirs. That is why the Koran has no official
> translation, why the emphasis on learning it by rote.
> Just a few morning musings. :-)
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