RE: A Test

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    > Reproduction is not what meme theory is based on.

    Memes don't get reproduced?

    > Wait a minute, wait a minute. Again your sentence_in and of
    > itself_is not a meme. As to cult suicides read my earlier posts on this
    > list, where we've discussed suicidal cults loads of times before. What
    > matters is context. You posting that sentence on this list doesn't have the
    > same potential impact that David Koresh writing it for his Davidian
    > followers when the FBI/ATF are outside the door.

    Yes, it's the same meme but it can have different results depending
    on people's decisions. mY pOint.

    > But transmitting things, is not transmitting memes. E.G. body
    > language conveys information but it is not intended to be copied/imitated.

    But it CAN be copied/imitated, that is what makes it a meme and this
    is why our sentences here are memes too. Because they CAN be copied.
    Compare this to the DNA-world. Just because a being has no childs
    doesn't mean his genes were not reproducible.

    > Why isn't this true? In order for it to be a meme, it has to be
    > cultural, in order for it to be cultural, it has to pass from at least one
    > person to another.

    You were talking of three persons. I write you something (1), you
    read it (2), you tell it someone (3).

    3 people required to make something a meme? No.

    > Indeed, to be sure, that second person should pass it on
    > as well. Isn't it interesting that when most people talk about a culture,
    > they're talking about something that involves entire communities or
    > societies....


    > I disagree here. Every thought we have is not a meme regardless of
    > whether we tell anyone else about it. A meme is something that has been
    > communicated, transmitted to others, and persists.

    Well, we have different views.

    > Nobody can describe exactly how it happens, whether that be in terms
    > of the artefact meme people, like me, OR the internal memeticists. Nobody's
    > got that far yet. The artefact approach at least has something tangible to
    > study- the artifacts themselves.

    Well i observe people, there's real meme selection action going on
    everyday which you will never find in artefacts, because artefacts
    select memes only in the way that the memes vanish when the artefact
    vanishes too.

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