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From: Bill Spight <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > There has to be some memetic input somewhere, no !? Where and how !?
> As I pointed out, memes include not only behaviors, but the conditions
> for those behaviors. (I am not excluding other types of memes, but I
> think that in the main they may be represented as situation-response
> pairs. This is in line with the modern anthropological view of culture
> as comprised of rules for behavior. See Clifford Geertz.) The behaviors
> may be imitated, at least imperfectly, but the conditions must be picked
> up by inference or instruction. So the main memetic input is observed
> behavior, but instruction in some form needs to be there for the
> transmission of many memes.
The lines mentioned above are of some specific interest to me, especially
the representation of a meme as a situation- response pair.
You know, or you don 't, it doesn 't matter, but I am deep in Lamarckism.
My main interest points are lying there.
Lamarck, in his Philosophie Zoologique talks a lot about " une réaction ",
in many ways he seems to pre- suppose that behavior, change in behavior
are caused by environmental changes where the organism reacts upon.
For a long time and still, I am trying, not to convince, but to let see our
co- members things in a different perspective.
One of those is, that we, the human organism " reacts " upon changes
caused in and by the environment and not simply adapt.
In memetic perspective, adaptation is too slow to, IMO explain the
evolution- rate by which memetic evolution is taking place.
With the notion that we " react " and not simply adapt we can explain
this mush better.
If we should adapt such a view, that we react and that memes were nothing
more than the representation of any situation- response than we can loosen
up the gene- stuff.
Than becomes memetics rightly a part of neurobiology, psychology, ...
Genes are than nothing more than " capacity- ways " where along memes
In my mind, reading Lamarck, there is no doubt, that he was not writing
some book about biology, but one about psychology.
" Re- inventing " Lamarckism in such ways should help us to understand
what memes are all about, it helped me... but that is no reference I
Anyway, can you give me more details about your " meme- as- re-
presentation- of- a- situation- repsonse - view " !?
Thanks in advance,
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