Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA06321 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:53:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:34:06 +0100 To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Memes inside brain Message-ID: <20011007133406.A710@ii01.org> References: <E15peHt-0004T2email@example.com> <3BBF33E5.31BE65CA@pacbell.net> <20011006181110.B915@ii01.org> <3BBF63CF.DFCB85DB@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3BBF63CF.DFCB85DB@pacbell.net>; from firstname.lastname@example.org on Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 01:04:31PM -0700 From: Robin Faichney <email@example.com> Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com
On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 01:04:31PM -0700, Bill Spight wrote:
> Dear Robin,
> > >
> > > I gather from that that you agree that, assuming memes reside in brains,
> > > they are not transmitted by imitation (necessarily). Right?
> > I really think you have it wrong when you suggest that a delay means
> > transmission is not by imitation. The recipient does not, by that
> > theory, receive the meme by imitating the behaviour.
> Could you provide a reference that makes that clear?
> It would also be nice to know by what means they claim that memes are
> transmitted, if not by imitation.
I don't have time just now to go looking up refs, but I take it forgranted
that the claim that memes are transmitted by imitation amounts to this:
Person A performs and person B observes, at some later point B performs
and C observes, then C performs and D observes. The meme either "takes"
or does not at the time of observation (as a simplifying generalisation).
The complete process, from one performance to the next, is considered to
be imitation, but only observation (with receptivity) is actually required
of the recipient to get the meme from one brain to the next.
I'd like to know of any case in which anyone has said "memes are
transmitted by imitation" and has meant anything other than this.
-- "The distinction between mind and matter is in the mind, not in matter." Robin Faichney -- inside information -- http://www.ii01.org/
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