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> There's no such meme until the gene is discovered and described.
> Otherwise, we'd have to ask "who" created all the memes that are
> "discovered" by physicists etc. In fact, memes are in behaviour,
> books and brains, but not (otherwise) in nature.
I think that memes are also in nature.
Nature shows behavior, when scientists observe how an animal hunts
or how planets move around the sun they observe behavior of
nature. In this way this behavior could also be called a meme, the
only problem is, that is hard to say who created that behavior.
Humans already change and changed nature for decades. When you look
at an avenue with trees at it's side, then the way these trees stand
there is not the natural grown structural pattern but the way humans
made it. So humans can find memes in nature, some they put into it,
some which just exist and can be received.
Whether a scientist actually "discovers" or "constructs" a meme is
really interesting and could probably both be true.
For example, some scientists observed the sun in the sky. They
discovered the meme which describes the movement of the sun. But
some scientists constructed the meme "The sun moves around the
planet" and other scientists constructed the meme "The planet
rotates and moves around the sun."
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