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>there is an
>huge amount of real life examples which show that the >brain selects
No, I dispute this. There's a huge amount of real life examples that show that people do a lot of thinking - but that's not the same thing. The selection of memes is largely due to the environment, just like the selection of genes.
>Just look a few mails ago, a text on memetics and >terrorism giving
>advises not to spread certain memes.
Yes, but that text advises that certain behaviours should be avoided. It doesn't give recommnedations on what to think.
>How do you know that raw food is potentially dangerous in >certain
But Stone Age people _didn't know_, that's the whole point. The ones who cooked food had longer and more reproductive lives than the ones who didn't - but they were probably completely oblivious to _why_. In fact, they probably didn't even realise that such a process was happening. Cultural evolution happens independently of minds.
>Human society is a collection of brains and communication >between
>them. So culture lives in brains.
No, human society is a collection of people and the artifacts they leave behind.
>Not the structure is reproducible but the concluding meme >is.
>If you say something which i haven't thought of before and >it
>convinces me my brain structure is surely likely to >change. It won't
>look like yours but the resulting meme is going to be >saved in both
>of these structures in whatever way.
Excatly, the meme isn't in the brain. I'm confused now. you seem to be arguing that the meme is _not_ in the brain whereas above you were arguing that it is stored in the brain.
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