Re: state of memes

From: Scott Chase (
Date: Wed Oct 03 2001 - 04:26:40 BST

  • Next message: "Re: Copycat Terrorism: JoM Paper"

    Received: by id EAA26642 (8.6.9/5.3[ref] for from; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 04:31:51 +0100
    X-Originating-IP: []
    From: "Scott Chase" <>
    Subject: Re: state of memes
    Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:26:40 -0400
    Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
    Message-ID: <>
    X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 03:26:41.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[37DAD3A0:01C14BBB]
    Precedence: bulk

    >From: "Dace" <>
    >To: <>
    >Subject: Re: state of memes
    >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:16:11 -0700
    > > Hi Lawrence.
    > >
    > > I'm not sure if the excerpt from Chomsky really addresses the matter of
    > > the US and other countries wanted to have a war against Iraq. The
    > > seems to suggest that stock prices might have been a motive, or that
    > > territory was a motive. And the oil motive almost does not need to be
    > > mentioned to be suspect, even if there is no clear reason why the US
    > > prefer to buy from Kuwait than from an expanded Iraq.
    > >
    > > Yet a far graver threat was posed by Iraq through its nuclear weapons
    > > program. That weapons program was explicitly announced by Saddam Husein
    > > himself during the Iran-Iraq war. A nuclear reactor capable of producing
    > > fissile materials for atomic bombs was being built by a French company
    > > Iraq at the time. Iraq had been using chemical weapons against the
    > > but the Iranians were clearly afraid of the nuclear threat. So they
    > > attack Iraq's reactor from the air, but unsuccessfully. Then Hussein
    > > mistake by announcing that the weapons to be produced were not for use
    > > against Iran, but rather, for use against Israel. So Israel sent in a
    > > squadron of advanced US fighter-bombers armed with "smart bombs" and
    > > disguised as Jordanian aircraft. They then made short work of the Iraqi
    > > reactor. But Iraq continued its efforts to build an atomic bomb. Whether
    > > want to call the weapons ideas "memes" or "thought contagions" or
    > > the basic ideas behind nuclear weapons had clearly proliferated to Iraqi
    > > weapons scientists even as the weapons themselves had not--at least not
    > >
    > > After the invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein even held up some
    > > high-performance capacitors capable of dumping their charge very quickly
    > > the plastic explosives that initiate a fission bomb. Such capacitors
    > > have had very high capacitance, high voltage, low parasitic inductance,
    > > low parasitic resistance as a result of modern materials science
    > > Hussein was, in effect, threatening to use nuclear weapons against the
    > > States or any other country that might reverse his conquest of Kuwait.
    > > According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists,
    > > (, the
    > > War was therefore "the non-proliferation measure of last resort." By the
    > > implications of that assessment, a negotiated withdrawal from Kuwait
    > > would have been a "nightmare scenario."
    > >
    > > Some might say that we should not worry if Iraq should become just
    > > member of the nuclear club. Yet each new "member," poses a very serious
    > > to us all, especially if the country or organization is strongly
    > > toward initiating conquest and warfare. The problem is not so much that
    > > or two fission bombs would destroy a country such as the USA, although
    > > weapons would certainly put to shame all the present talk of "Ground
    > > the World Trade Center in New York. The real problem is that with just a
    > > atomic bombs, someone who is really determined to start a new empire
    > > smuggle fission bombs into some major cities of a country such as the
    > > Russia. Then they could use nuclear blackmail to attempt to extort an
    > > of advanced hydrogen bombs. Along with millions of others, Noam Chomsky
    > > have been relieved of his electrons by the likes of Saddam Hussein.
    > >
    > > --Aaron Lynch
    > >
    > >
    >Your "thought contagion" site is the best discussion of memes I've seen yet
    >(if you don't mind me using Dawkins' slippery term.) Thanks.
    >I can't say much in favor of your analysis of American policy in the Middle
    >East. It's silly to think that Iraq, had it possessed the requisite
    >technology, would have considered launching a nuclear attack against the
    >United States. Armed with 24 missiles, each containing up to 17
    >independently maneuverable warheads, a single Trident submarine (of which
    >have 22) could have obliterated the country in minutes. Saddam wanted
    >because boys like toys. At no point would such weapons have offered him
    >leverage against the US.
    Probably not the U.S., since Israel is much closer.

    Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

    This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
    Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
    For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Wed Oct 03 2001 - 04:37:07 BST