Re: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves

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    From: Philip Jonkers <>
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    Subject: Re: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves

    > > You might have guessed, I'm talking about (smart,AI) computers.
    > > Susan Blackmore also makes some plausible predictions in
    > > her Meme-Machine. So does a new meme-vehicle create a new
    > > category or does it fall under the artifact category?

    > IMO, memetic evolution does not have to rely on genes, now yes,
    > but in the future no !
    > Memes will dispurse themselves from their biological container and
    > will live their lives in a memosphere- like environment
    > A kind of new model for virtual communication will do I suppose.
    > Stopped to give the idea further thought...
    > But, are we memetically up for this !?

    Hi Kenneth,

    Good question. Humans and such machines will have some overlap
    in wanted resources (electricity and band-width for instance).
    This is a little chilling prospect and
    doomsday scenarios like those from The Matrix
    and Terminator I and II spring to my mind. We must put all
    our efforts in trying to contain such artificial process of

    Hi Philip,

    << I think you may put all the efforts you want, in the end you will loose
    out on the memes, though !
    If they are in such a way selfish, their behavior, their usage of resources
    will prevent that you will contain them. Certain mind- stuctures will than
    already be changed in favor of such effect.
    If memes already kill off their host in order to propagate further, think
    about their possibilities if they are actually "on their own " out there !?

    IMO, memes will never allow that hosts, whatever they may turn out to be,
    stop, contain, pressure,... the artifical process wherein they might
    Memes, in a way, already run loose in our head. To some extend we
    don 't have the control over our mind, soul and body.
    Memes run the show, despite the efforts of other factors_ matter and
    genes live indeed in one world with the memes, but to they don 't work
    together. They do, but matter and genes are used as esources for the
    memes to allow to propagate.



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