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>From: "salice" <email@example.com>
>Subject: RE: Thesis: Memes are DNA-Slaves
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:36:07 +0000
> > No need for the people to survive as long as the doctrine does, e.g.
> > suicidal cults, religious/political martyrs etc. etc. Some memes appear
> > drive people to non-adaptive behaviours like celibacy and suicide.
>martyrs help a culture to survive (in best case). so it helps it's
>people to survive aswell. if a kamikaze destroyed an us army ship he
>might have been acting non-adaptive acording to his genes but he
>might had saved 1000s of others, which might have been not that
>different to him.
>when you look at these kind of behaviours you have to be aware of
>the fact that a lot of dna is similar among people. so if
>someone commits suicide but helps with this action 100s of others to
>survive, who share similar genes with him, it's quite clever.
>there are a lot of symptoms which can't be directly explained with
>normal evolutionary theory. like impotence for instance. but when you
>look on the overall scale of effect certain actions make sense.
What scale would explain coming to the aid of a whale or other wild animal
in distress? I watched a program recently where a whale was in distress and
a bunch of people got together to help it and it was then sent to a water
park for rehabilitation. *Why* (in the evolutionary sense of the word) would
someone consider the plight of sea turtles a serious concern? Would
inclusive fitness or reciprocal altruism fit the bill here?
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