RE: Thesis: Memes are DNA-slaves

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    Obviously memes are dependent on DNA in the trivially true sense that without
    humans there could be no human culture. But one could extend that argument to
    claiming that without matter there would be no genes - so are genes matter-slaves?
    So it really doesn't take us any further than pointing out what is obviously
    the case. The real question is whether or not memes can exhibit evolutionary
    dynamics in their own right. Ifd:
    a) the population is not under any great selective pressure
    b) cultural transmission media are rapid
    Then memetic evolution could be independent and the selective forces on the
    memes would largely consist of other memes

    Of course, if the population was under some selective pressure and the meme
    provided the solution to the 'problem', then in fact the reverse could occur,
    in that the culture would drag along the genes.

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