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> From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Dawkins was right all along
> > Philip wrote, Scott wrote,
> > > > So are you implying that being an atheist makes you superior
> > > > to someone who is religious? Are you free from the possible
> > > > biases inherent in a mindset and its polarizing
> > > > anti-religious extremes?
> > << Hi all,
> > Superior is not the best chosen word here, though !
> > It means, outstanding, authoritative, unappoachable,... that is not what
> > is meant here.
> > Philip, in a way, expresses what I am saying all along, that each of us
> > is trapped, and fixed within all possible biases inherent to any
> > What we see, hear, experience,... study is getting clouded by the way
> > we live, our genetic and memetic background, what we have studied.
> > In a sense, Bush and his administration is driven to act as they will
> > by their own and the American mindsets. Bush is a conservative, reven-
> > ge, getting even, security.... are the holy grail for such people.
> > This is strenghtened by the lack of respect for others and the arrogant
> > attitude of the American administration and politics.
> > If by the way, Bush would have walked one mile in somebody's shoes
> > to understand why people attack the USA he would now know better
> > than to attack an innocent people.
> > I, for one, did not walk one mile in somebody's shoes, but I do
> > and I do understand why in other matters like this people think you need
> > the experience, you need to have studied the things you want to talk
> > That is not true, empathy only works in such circumstances when you take
> > place of the scientist at the particular moment of finding, studying,
> > riencing,.... something. That is something you can 't do. Empathy only
> > from out your experience, you don 't have to walk one mile in somebody's
> > shoes to understand what we study or what she/ he believes in.
> > What we experience is empathy, and in a sense that is just alike what
> > hardliners of any religion feels and experiences.
> > Any hardliner can 't grasp the real motives of any god or of any rule.
> > she too does this from out his/ hers own experience which is than linked
> > to his/ hers genetic, social, memetical, psychological,... background.
> > All is circumstancial, taking the place of any scientist, feeling,
> > experiencing,
> > ...taking the place of any god, thinking like he did/ does....is placing
> > your-
> > self above the scientist or the god. You can come that close to any felt
> > experience of anyone and everyone ( like now, we can ' feel ' the pain
> > the New Yorkers or of any American), but can 't grasp the " real " sense
> > of it all.
> > And even you have any experience at first hand, what you really will
> > experience, see, even hear and feel,... will than already be twisted by
> > how your mind works.
> > A really " true " picture of what is out there you can 't have.
> > Best regards,
> > Kenneth
> > ( I am, because we are) acting under noone's control
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