RE: state of memes

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Date: Mon Sep 24 2001 - 11:36:13 BST

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    Hi Jeff,

    Welcome to the list.

            <what do people think of the wider prospects for this
    > sort of period of punctuated evolution, and what
    > directions things might head (i tend to think world
    > peace/one-world government, persuasion/force, etc.)?>
            I think you're right to some extent that there have already been in
    the last couple of weeks major reorganisation of how some terms are used,
    interpreted and dealt with, not least terrorism. Whether that leads to a
    different global social structure, who can really say. I can't say if it
    happened I'd personally enjoy it very much. The biggest problem with recent
    events seems to be the fact that conventional methods of dealing with
    violent attacks on a state don't really apply here, and the security
    measures that are being considered (as Lawrence suggested) aren't really
    going to do much to stop people who want to try and commit terrorist acts.

            In the UK, we've had years and years of increasingly draconian
    anti-terrorism legislation, none of which prevented terrorism continuing (it
    may have reduced the chances of it happening, I don't know). Now there's
    talk of basically extending UK style laws across the EU, of introducing ID
    cards in the UK and so on. I personally don't see the value in restricting
    civil liberties in order to protect against a threat one can't protect
    against absolutely.

            Anyway, that the world is a very different place now, is very true.
    I think we will see that US memes are altered by these events, in the way
    that say the Vietnam defeat altered the US population's sense of self. Will
    the US react as other states subjected to terrorism have done or in
    different ways, due to the nature of the US, the scale of the attacks and so
    on? Time will tell.


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