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From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>
Actually I think that be they called 'martyrs' or whatever, they are
after their fifteen minutes of fame and a seat in heaven. That's selfish
behaviour in the extreme, and a predictable response from kids without
prospects I suppose. Not very noble though. What actually astonishes me
about this whole thing is how they could've stayed dedicated over
several years - most suicide bombers seem to go straight from the cleric
to the crime with no chance for second thoughts, and cults never let you
out of the compound for fear of the programming wearing off - these
'folks' (come back Bill fgs) kept going over years, in Europe and the
US. Exposed to, and resisting, the best temptations us decadent WASPs
In one of my recent posts about the US tragedy I already mentioned my
astonishment about this fact too. My first thought was that those people
were " memetic fixed ", brainwashed in the exteme, but like you said,
cults never let their members out of the beehive for fear of the program-
ming wearing off.
So what can be the explanation for this fact !?
My first point of reference was the suicide, suicide bombers are a
rare breed in the general picture of suicide.
Those people could be linked to the category, like motorists driving
into oncoming traffic, but this a extreme case of suicide bombing.
In fact there were several at one specific moment in time.
So could it be that we have here a ' collective suicide pact ' !?
Collective like in the Jones- sekt or at Waco !?
If that is the case than we must look for psychological groupmechanisms
and or for spiritual movements.
To which points can we speak of a spiritual movement !?
1_ reason to submit
2_ a leader
3_ belief in a teaching
5_ belief in a prophecy
6_ belief in the intellect
Those six are the most important of the 11 on my list.
Can we link those six to what happened or to the person of Bin Laden !?
I think so.
So we can say that the attacks were conducted by a spiritual move-
And we can also say that psychological groupmechanisms were playing
IMO, the attacks were done by one single group, which is not totally
dead, other members of the movement are still lurking in the dark.
The attacks were directed towards the USA, the mechanism behind
the attacks is the same as behind any spiritual movement or sekt.
The groupmechanism is the collective suicide, the spiritual movement
is a fundamentalistic religious sekt
And for the CIA/ FBI sake, if they now suspect more than 150 people
of being a member or has been participated somehow in the attacks, how
can you keep such an operation in the dark !?
By admitting there is a point seven, namely, the fear of expulsion, death,
end of friendships, no seat in heaven, ...
If this all is true, allow me to salute the psychological master behind
the movement, this is really something to accomplish !!
IMO, the one or the ones behind this, had to have access to kids- brains
from a very young age, manipulating them ( in a way teaching them
nothing else than this shit), memetic engineering them and when the time
is ripe, .......
Amazing stuff, from a psychological point of view, that is.
A book to read about this kind of stuff, Margeret Singer, Cults in our
Midst ( 1995).
( I am, because we are) impressed
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