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<I'm wondering how this mess fits into the context of the history
> British and Irish as in the bad treatment Irish may have endured over the
> years and more recently how the Catholics may have been discriminated
> against and gerrymandered in Northern Ireland and how much better
> Protestants such as Orangemen and UVF look when compared to the IRA or
> Fein, however loyal to the crown they may be. Educate an ignorant Yank on
> the history of the Troubles.>
The history between Brits and Irish is incredibly long, and for the
most part bloody. Most of the recent troubles, taking the long historical
view, find their origins in the Battle of the Boyne (which is mostly what is
celebrated by all those Orange order marches).
The specifics are much more to do with the horrors of the struggle
for Irish independence and partition in the 1920s, about which I don't know
a great deal.
<And what of the stories of people such as Gerry Conlon? All I'm
going on are
> memories of that movie "In the Name of the Father". How long were he and
> dad (Giuseppe?)in prison and did they belong there?>
That movie had a fair deal of dramatic licence in it, I don't
believe they were in jail together for example, or not for long anyway, but
few save the die hard people who put them in jail believe that the 'Guilford
Four' belonged in jail.
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